01/13/2008
MOIRA says (22:58):
hello
MOIRA says (22:59):
are you there?
ross
says (22:59):
hi
moira
ross
says (22:59):
was
just taking a nap
MOIRA says (22:59):
hey:D
ross
says (22:59):
hows
you?
MOIRA says (22:59):
missed you
MOIRA says (22:59):
:$
MOIRA says (23:00):
how are you?
MOIRA says (23:01):
bussy?
Blushes to indicate she is really attached to
you beyond hope. Immediately assumes you are busy as usual.
ross
says (23:01):
i
missed you too, but its
pointless:(
ross
says (23:01):
no
my msn was stuck
MOIRA says (23:01):
sorry,i wont bother you again
MOIRA says (23:01):
aww ok
ross
says (23:01):
im
ok mili,
im just tired
MOIRA says (23:01):
sorry
MOIRA says (23:01):
:$
MOIRA says (23:02):
(})
ross
says (23:02):
({)
ross
says (23:02):
its
just never been real for you
MOIRA says (23:02):
:)
ross
says (23:02):
so
its a waste of time
Here you state that you feel it’s all fantasy for her, but she
just smiles to that. She
could at least say “but you are real for me”. The smile seems to indicate
that it’s
not real for her.
MOIRA says (23:02):
i miss you
MOIRA says (23:02):
:Sdo you want me out?
MOIRA says (23:02):
i will do that for you
MOIRA says (23:03):
if you want
So she continues instead with telling you she
misses you but since you claim you are not real for (she didn’t dispute
that)
she asks if you want her out of your life and she would do that for
you, if you
like. If she was serious she could say “I miss you and I want you to
know you
are very real for me. Why would you think you are not?”
ross
says (23:03):
you
always have meant a lot to me, but i
think we are living a lie
ross
says (23:04):
ive
always been real about you
MOIRA says (23:04):
ross
ross
says (23:04):
ffs,
youve
been my real girlfriend all this time, but its so different for you
So you ignore what she said and tell her
straight that she means a lot to you and she is real for you and you
see her as
your real girlfriend and if she doesn’t see you as real then it’s a
lie. All
she can say here is “ross”.
Like talking over you,
doesn’t wanna hear it.
MOIRA says (23:04):
do you want me out of your life?i can do
that for you babe.Just
tell me
She just continues with the
previous idea—she will do you a FAVOR and leave you alone if you want
her to!
Totally ignoring what you are telling her that you are serious about
her.
ross
says (23:05):
:S
ross
says (23:05):
i
dont
want you out of my life
Again you stress to her that
this is not what you want, that you want her in your life.
MOIRA says (23:05):
maybe it will be better for you
Unfortunately she gives you her
annoying “better for you” line. You just told her you want her in your
life! So
this would mean that you are not real for her and she even thinks it
will be
better for you if she’s not involved with you.
ross
says (23:05):
but
i cant do
this to myself anymore
You are reading her responses
and express to her that you are suffering because of this.
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MOIRA says (23:06):
ok ross
MOIRA says (23:06):
maybe we can only be friends
So instead of telling you
something like “but I do love you and I’m serious about you—why can’t
you see
that?” she continues with her previous stuff saying maybe you can only
be
friends…
ross
says (23:06):
i
need someone who is there
for me, doesnt treat me
bad, and is real about me
MOIRA says (23:06):
is that ok for you?
ross
says (23:06):
si
maybe just friends
MOIRA says (23:06):
ok
MOIRA says (23:06):
i understand
You continue to tell her that
you want someone who sees you as “real” for them and treats you well
but she
ignores you like she isn’t even reading what you say. Just continues
with the
question if it’s ok for you to just be friends. So you give up and say
“yes
maybe just friends”
ross
says (23:07):
i
know you dont
feel the same about me as i
feel about you, and that
means this is wrong
ross
says (23:07):
this
is only fantasy for you
ross
says (23:07):
but
for me its real
ross
says (23:07):
you
know this
So you explain once again that
you see her as real and you feel she sees you as fantasy.
MOIRA says (23:07):
you dont
know how i
feel
So her reply is EVASIVE.
Instead of saying how she feels she says “you don’t now how I feel” Yes
she is
just stating a fact—you don’t know because she isn’t saying anything
now. But
in the past she has said conflicting things. Hinting about reality but
also
saying it’s fantasy. So
what are you supposed to
think?
Why can’t she just say “I do feel you are real for me—what you are
saying is
not true”??? She just leaves you guessing.
ross
says (23:07):
i
do moira
ross
says (23:07):
your
love is just not strong enough
ross
says (23:07):
im
sorry
MOIRA says (23:08):
no
ross
says (23:08):
i'd
give the world for you, or
to be with you, but you feel so very different
MOIRA says (23:08):
you dont
know waht
i feel and
how i feel
You say you would give the
world for her and again she gives you a cryptic reply telling you that
you
don’t know… Like so you would think she really loves you for real.
ross
says (23:08):
i
know how you are though
ross
says (23:08):
:(
ross
says (23:08):
i
know this isnt real
love for you
ross
says (23:09):
you
dont even
know what it is
ross
says (23:09):
i
know what i feel and
what ive felt
MOIRA says (23:09):
you dont
know
So you tell her that you know
how she acts, not how she feels and you can tell that it’s not real
love for
her by how she behaves but you know how you feel, but she repeats the
same
line—that you don’t know. Well why not say it to you instead “you don’t
know”
over and over?
ross
says (23:09):
ive
always been very certain
ross
says (23:10):
its
things like you dating the doc and alejo
ross
says (23:10):
id
never do that to you
MOIRA says (23:10):
you dont
know how it is for me
So you tell her she makes you
jealous with real people but she repeats the same old thing---you don’t
know
how it is for me.
ross
says (23:10):
maybe
i dont
but you never want to talk
ross
says (23:10):
and
when i say things you
never defend
yourself
ross
says (23:10):
you
never put the record straight
MOIRA says (23:10):
no
ross
says (23:10):
you
just leave me thinking
MOIRA says (23:10):
i dont
want to defend
MOIRA says (23:11):
me
ross
says (23:11):
or
tell me think what you like'
You make a good point here that
as I’ve been saying before—she doesn’t explain herself. She
just makes hints never says anything concrete when you try
to talk
straight with her.
MOIRA says (23:11):
you dont
trust in me
Trust her? Well since she is so
mysterious and inconsistent in her behavior
it’s hard
to just trust her. It’s been months and you still have no idea where
you stand,
if it’s real or fantasy—obviously it’s hard to keep running on pure
faith
particularly with someone so inconsistent.
ross
says (23:11):
no,
you should
MOIRA says (23:11):
what can i
do
ross
says (23:11):
i'll
always defend myself
MOIRA says (23:11):
i wont
ross
says (23:11):
i'll
always tell you what is what
if you think something and its not right
MOIRA says (23:11):
you can think whatever
MOIRA says (23:12):
i know what i
am and how i am
ross
says (23:12):
thats
a very bad attitude though
MOIRA says (23:12):
not for me
ross
says (23:12):
no,
maybe it works well for you
ross
says (23:12):
but
it doesnt work in a
relationship
ross
says (23:13):
cos
it makes it like everything i
say has no meaning
Well here it gets pretty
interesting since you tell her that you always explain yourself and how
you
feel but she says that “YOU CAN THINK WHATEVER” and that SHE knows
herself… and
it’s a fine attitude for her… So you tell her the reality of things
that it’s a
ONE WAY RELATIONSHIP if you have to keep saying how you feel about her
but she
doesn’t do the same but feels she just needs to know herself.
MOIRA says (23:13):
you didnt
answer me yesterday
MOIRA says (23:13):
i cant always say no ross,you
are wrong
MOIRA says (23:13):
just i
cant
At this point it’s time to put
you on the defense—“you
didn’t answer me yesterday”.
Attack is the best defense.
Now she says that she
can’t “always” tell you the truth of how she feels. But hey, she never
tells
you anything concrete. She says she “just cant”.
Why
not?
ross
says (23:13):
you
never tell me that im
wrong
ross
says (23:13):
you
always leave me guessing
MOIRA says (23:13):
you are wrong
MOIRA says (23:13):
no
ross
says (23:14):
or
make me feel stupid by not answering me
MOIRA says (23:14):
sorry
So you tell her she NEVER tells
you “otherwise”. But she says you are wrong. SO WHY NOT SAY I NOW? Now
would be
a good time….
ross
says (23:15):
i
need solid love. i need true love. i
need someone who feels the same
about me as i feel
about her
ross
says (23:15):
someone
who is willing to make scarifices
for me like i make for
her
MOIRA says (23:15):
i repeat:you
dont know
how i feel about
you
You again repeat that you
expect loyalty from her—that you expect her to show you the same honor and respect as you show
her. Again her answer is
evasive: ROBOT: “I repeat…” Well sure you don’t know how she feels
about you,
and why not tell you now?
ross
says (23:15):
sacrifices*
ross
says (23:15):
i
only know your actions
ross
says (23:15):
and
your actions say a lot
ross
says (23:15):
im
sorry
ross
says (23:16):
but
its true
MOIRA says (23:16):
you see
MOIRA says (23:16):
i said you are wrong and you dont belive
me
MOIRA says (23:16):
what can i
do?
You again tell her that you can
see her actions, and actions say a lot of course. Good point. Actions
mean much
more than words. But she can only repeat the same cryptic answer: that
you are
wrong and don’t believe her. Don’t believe what? She didn’t say
anything in
particular. “what can I
do?” lol,
ummm maybe
just talk instead of just say you don’t
know anything….
ross
says (23:16):
you
look at my actions, sure i
talk to
you bad sometimes
ross
says (23:16):
and
i chase
through the rooms, crazy cos
i wanna
make things right with you
ross
says (23:17):
but
always im there for you
MOIRA says (23:17):
si
ross
says (23:17):
always
ready to give you my love
MOIRA says (23:17):
(})
MOIRA says (23:17):
si
MOIRA says (23:17):
and i
apreciate
that
MOIRA says (23:17):
a lot
At this point there is a sudden
change of attitude which she likes: you tell her that for example she
can see
your actions and how dedicated you are to her. So she says yes and hugs
you and
says she appreciates it. Well here you tell her what you do for her and
that’s
what she wants to hear. She doesn’t wanna
hear what
she needs to do for you. LOL! But she loves to hear you tell her how
dedicated
you are to her.
ross
says (23:17):
({)
ross
says (23:17):
no
baby
ross
says (23:17):
i
dont
feel that
ross
says (23:17):
sorry
MOIRA says (23:17):
:'(
MOIRA says (23:18):
im sorry
MOIRA says (23:18):
i dont
want to hurt you
MOIRA says (23:18):
but all is complicated
So you tell her that you don’t
feel she appreciates it. She says that--but you don’t feel the same
from her…
So she says she doesn’t wanna
hurt you “but all is
complicated”! Complicated? So she is saying she is hurting you because
things
are complicated. I thought she was a simple girl as she says?
ross
says (23:18):
maybe
MOIRA says (23:19):
im so sorry
MOIRA says (23:19):
ross
ross
says (23:19):
si
MOIRA says (23:20):
(K)smacks
you
So she apologizes for hurting you…
ross
says (23:20):
i
think we must be apart
ross
says (23:20):
i
think you need others
ross
says (23:20):
or
maybe you need doc
ross
says (23:21):
you
are not ready for me
But you don’t give in so fast
and tell her that you think she needs others besides you. You tell her
the
facts of what she does and says.
MOIRA says (23:21):
ok ross.No,i
dont
need others,but maybe
you can be happy
So she tells you she doesn’t
need others, and again like throws something in your face: maybe you
can be
happy… Not clear what this means but it’s like maybe you can be happy
without
me.
ross
says (23:21):
but
you date doc
MOIRA says (23:21):
i dont
want any guy
ross
says (23:21):
you
wanted to see what happens
MOIRA says (23:21):
its ok if you need someone else
She throws it back to you—puts
you on the defense as
if you are trying to get rid of
her—ignoring all your efforts so far.
MOIRA says (23:22):
i dont
want any guy
MOIRA says (23:22):
i can understand you dont
want me anymore
Funnily she tells you she
doesn’t want “any guy”. Not you? And again throws it back in your face
that she
can understand you don’t want her anymore. Like she didn’t understand
up to now
that you do want her but not if she’s gonna
be just
fantasy and mess with everybody else and make you jealous.
ross
says (23:22):
if
you was serious about me you would never had started dating alejo, or doc
ross
says (23:22):
i
dont
want you, unless there are big changes
ross
says (23:22):
and
i dont
think you will make those changes
ross
says (23:23):
your
definately
not ready for a real
relationship
ross
says (23:23):
especially
with an enlishman
ross
says (23:23):
englishman*
MOIRA says (23:23):
This is me.Maybe
im not
enough for you
So you tell her very straight
again—that she must make changes if it’s going to be a real
relationship. But
she just tells you as she likes to, that this is her and she won’t
change and
maybe she is not enough for you… So basically you got nowhere so far…
ross
says (23:24):
i
dont
get enough love from you
ross
says (23:24):
i
dont
get any commitment from you
ross
says (23:24):
you
even wanted to flirt with other guys
ross
says (23:24):
we
sort of went backwards
ross
says (23:24):
only
so i didnt
get angry with you all the time
MOIRA says (23:25):
do you have another girl?
You keep telling her that you
don’t feel she is true to you. That
you don’t see any
dedication from her. So her idiotic reply at this point is
“do you have
another girl?” This is maddening at this point because you have just
spent so
much effort and time telling her how important she is to you and how
you are
willing to stick with her and she throws this in your face. You could
tell
her—“well if I had another girl why am I even talking to you now?”
ross
says (23:25):
you
told me that if i
wanted to be with you,
then you must be allowed to be free
ross
says (23:26):
ive
met a girl but nothing is
happening
ross
says (23:26):
she
fancies me bad, but i
only talk
ross
says (23:26):
nothing
has happened
MOIRA says (23:26):
ok ross
ross
says (23:26):
do
you understand what im
saying?
ross
says (23:27):
i
love you, but we cant go on
like this
So you are honest with her and
you first tell her that she insists on being “free” if you want to be
with her
and tell her that you did meet someone but tell her you love her but
you can’t
continue a pointless relationship.
MOIRA says (23:27):
Do you like her?
ross
says (23:27):
i
dont
know if i can be with
someone else
ross
says (23:27):
yeah
she's ok
ross
says (23:27):
i
dont
really have feelings for her
MOIRA says (23:27):
how do you know?
Well that’s insulting—how do
you know you don’t have feelings? She knows herself so well but you
don’t know
your own feelings? She should be just happy that you still are with her…
MOIRA says (23:27):
where did you meet her?
ross
says (23:27):
just
she is nice ,thats all
ross
says (23:27):
nats
room
MOIRA says (23:28):
ok
MOIRA says (23:28):
maybe you should take my name away from your room
Here we go again with this room
name business. But it’s kinda
interesting that she
asks where you met the girl and when you say in ares
she brings up the question of her name in your room, like that if it’s
in ares then it has to
do with her but if it wasn’t in ares
then maybe she wouldn’t talk about her name in your
room…
MOIRA says (23:28):
ok ross
ross
says (23:28):
maybe
but i wont
MOIRA says (23:28):
do it
MOIRA says (23:28):
if she likes you
And she tells you to do it if
she likes you. Like she is saying her relationship with you is an “ares” relationship…
ross
says (23:28):
i
want you, but i dont think your willing to make
changes
So you tell her again you want
HER! But that she has to make changes…
MOIRA says (23:28):
who is she?
ross
says (23:29):
her
name is rae rae
ross
says (23:29):
its
not rae from pleasures
ross
says (23:29):
its
someone else
MOIRA says (23:29):
no,i told you i
want my man only mine.if
you were talking to her its okThat
means she likes you
So at this point she can only
state to you her “game rules” that she wants “her man only hers”. And
wants to
be sure she likes you too. But also seems to indicate she can let you
go, that
it’s ok.
ross
says (23:29):
yeah
she likes me
ross
says (23:30):
but
its upto you, if you
want me
ross
says (23:30):
but
if you want me then there needs to be some big changes
ross
says (23:30):
i
cant go on how we have been
ross
says (23:30):
its
you i love but, i
cant go on living it if its a lie
ross
says (23:31):
i
can give you all my heart as
i have been,
but i need a
lot back
So as she says she can let you
go easy, you come towards her now and tell her that you love HER but
YOU NEED
TO KNOW IF SHE LOVES YOU TOO. She could tell you that YES SHE LOVES YOU
TOO AND
DOESN’T WANNA LOSE YOU. BUT SHE DOESN’T!:
MOIRA says (23:31):
not anymore.Not
now ross,i
will be so jealous and i
dont
want to suffer anymore.That
is why i like chatting
to all,i feel all
cant hurt me
So it’s like you said
nothing—she tells you she doesn’t want you anymore since SHE WILL BE
JEALOUS! (and that makes
her “suffer”) And she likes to “chat to all”
to protect herself because she won’t be dependent on anyone. This goes
back to
what she says about all men being the “same”. But you have told her you
want
HER not whoever you met. So it’s so easy for her to let you go?! I
would be
pretty disappointed at this point… She isn’t referring to what she
isn’t giving
you in the relationship at all…
ross
says (23:31):
i
need to feel love from you
ross
says (23:31):
ok
you arent willing to
make changes
MOIRA says (23:31):
why were you talking to her?you
always
said you are there for me
So you continue and tell her
that you need to feel love from her and you catch on right—that she
isn’t
willing to make changes. But she ignores all that and now attacks you
to put
you on the defense
again—“why were you talking to
her”… hmm she should be intelligent enough to figure this out—you just
told her
in a million different ways just now—because you don’t feel she feels
about you
as you feel about her…
ross
says (23:31):
i
only hurt you when youve
hurt me
ross
says (23:32):
you
fucked off
ross
says (23:32):
you
left me
ross
says (23:32):
you
ignored me
MOIRA says (23:32):
you are hurting me again as when you were with
music
MOIRA says (23:32):
you probably will be chatting in pm with her
MOIRA says (23:32):
you see
So you try to tell her how she
hurts you but she continues with her attack to put you on the defense again. Reminding you of
music and telling you what
you will PROBABLY do, like saying you are full of shit and you don’t
really
love her…
ross
says (23:32):
i
wasnt
with music till you got so angry that night cos
i was
talking to her
MOIRA says (23:32):
you cant trust on me
MOIRA says (23:32):
and me in you
ross
says (23:32):
i
know
MOIRA says (23:32):
so you did it
ross
says (23:33):
but
ive always
been so truthfull to you
ross
says (23:33):
ive
always been true to you
Continues to attack you that
you don’t trust her and tells you she cant’ trust you. And you tell her
you
have always been true to her.
MOIRA says (23:33):
no ross
ross
says (23:33):
you
hurt me so much before you went to brazil
ross
says (23:33):
i
was in tears for a couple of
days
ross
says (23:33):
you
really hurt me badly
So all she can say is “no ross!” Then you tell her how
much she hurt you when she
went to brazil
and you cried for two days but she throws that back to you, doesn’t
care at
all:
MOIRA says (23:34):
you too
MOIRA says (23:34):
then and now
ross
says (23:34):
i
was so depressed cos of
the way you treated me
MOIRA says (23:34):
i was alone all this time
ross
says (23:34):
alone?
MOIRA says (23:34):
i have a lot of guys around
ross
says (23:34):
i
do not belive
that
MOIRA says (23:34):
but im
alone
MOIRA says (23:34):
but ...who cares
MOIRA says (23:34):
lol
MOIRA says (23:34):
ok
So she wants to say she is
miserable too since she is alone. Saying she has a lot of guys around
but is
alone and nobody cares… You just told her how much you care about her
and love
her… So she wants you to feel pity for her and change the way you are
talking
to her at this point. Question is,
you say you love
her and want to be with her so why does she say she is alone? So you
are just
one of the “a lot of guys” around her?
ross
says (23:34):
you
have others just like when i
first
met you
ross
says (23:34):
tell
me what it was with magicman?
MOIRA says (23:34):
then dont
tell me to defend me
ross
says (23:35):
please
tell me te truth
MOIRA says (23:35):
nothing
ross
says (23:35):
you
are lying
MOIRA says (23:35):
no
ross
says (23:35):
he
told me nothing, but others say that something went on
MOIRA says (23:35):
nothing happened
MOIRA says (23:35):
absolutely
MOIRA says (23:36):
now is late,you
met another girl
MOIRA says (23:36):
bye
Well you put her on the spot
since she says you are not faithful to her and of course she says
nothing
happened “absolutely” but doesn’t sound shocked at all… She could say
“what?
Where did you hear that?! That’s crazy! He was just a friend.” Instead
she
attacks you again “now is (too) late, you met another girl” WHAT? You
just told
her you have nothing with this girl you met, YET.
ross
says (23:36):
you
always need other men around you
MOIRA says (23:36):
it doesnt
care anymore
MOIRA says (23:36):
i have to go
ross
says (23:36):
yeah
well if you dont want
me then
ross
says (23:36):
and
you do not want me
MOIRA says (23:36):
you need girls too as im
seeing
MOIRA says (23:36):
i do want you
Again just attacks you telling
you, you want other girls, ignoring what you told her already. But
tells you
she does want you—yeah she doesn’t wanna
lose you.
ross
says (23:36):
no
MOIRA says (23:36):
but not anymore
MOIRA says (23:36):
yes
ross
says (23:37):
you
dont you
always want to be aapart
MOIRA says (23:37):
good luck with her hun
Shows that
she can let you go. Plays cool… That’s
the ticket!
ross
says (23:37):
i
told you the truth that i
talk to someone
MOIRA says (23:37):
you will be happy
MOIRA says (23:37):
you are amazing
Gives you a compliment to show
that she thinks you are fantastic and she still wants you.
ross
says (23:37):
im
asking you if you can change
for me before its too late
ross
says (23:37):
no,
im not
ross
says (23:37):
i
wish i
was
MOIRA says (23:37):
sorry you just have someone else
WOW! As you can see
she now TURNED THE TABLE in the past few minutes so instead of you
asking her
to be true to you, she now makes YOU the guilty one and you need to now
convince HER that you are true to her!!!
ross
says (23:37):
was
never amazing for you
ross
says (23:38):
do
i?
MOIRA says (23:38):
i cant deal with that
ross
says (23:38):
do
i have
someone else?
ross
says (23:38):
i
dont
yet
MOIRA says (23:38):
you were talking and you like her,you
have
ross
says (23:38):
no
hun
MOIRA says (23:38):
bye.i loved you
MOIRA says (23:38):
have to go
Yeah, she just can’t deal with
you now being with another girl (but you keep telling her you DO NOT!
Doesn’t
she understand English?) At this point she tells you she LOVED you in
the past
and she has to go—now she is playing HARD TO GET. “You want me Ross?
You will
have to prove yourself worthy! I don’t have to prove anything to you as
you
have been saying—it’s you who has to prove something to me” She is
always
excellent in picking something to hang on to and make a huge deal out
of it.
You told her you were TALKING to Rae and now you are the guilty one—you
are the
one who is not true to the relationship…
ross
says (23:38):
you
talk to lots of other guys
ross
says (23:39):
and
they all fancy you
ross
says (23:39):
andrew
you tell me he's so nice'
MOIRA says (23:39):
thanks for all
MOIRA says (23:39):
was amazing be with you
So you of course defend
yourself and tell her that she talks to other guys and you are nice
about
it—you say that THEY “fancy her” not saying that she comes on to them!
LOL! So
she continues her previous thread, being nice and non-emotional—“thanks
for
all, was amazing with you” to make you want her back again…
ross
says (23:39):
bullshit
ross
says (23:39):
i
only got you down
You pick up on this and tell
her how she “appreciated” your dedication to her in the past…
MOIRA says (23:39):
have to go
ross
says (23:39):
i
only made you miserable
ross
says (23:40):
and
thats the
truth
MOIRA says (23:40):
sorry,didnt understand that
MOIRA says (23:40):
was amazing and i
loved you so much
Suddenly she has no claim
against you anymore. You were just amazing to her and she LOVED you so
much,
(not anymore) She
doesn’t know what you are talking
about. But just earlier in the conversation she said “I DON’T
WANT TO SUFFER
ANYMORE” basically saying she has been miserable with you.
Now she wants
you to think you are losing someone who thinks you are amazing and
loves you so
much…
ross
says (23:40):
think
about it, i will be
yours if
you are willing to make changes
ross
says (23:40):
no
mili
ross
says (23:40):
grr
ross
says (23:40):
dont
say that
ross
says (23:40):
you
always say you love me sometimes
ross
says (23:40):
you
didnt love
me so much
ross
says (23:41):
its
a lie
ross
says (23:41):
you
would have showed me so much love if you did
So you again, you pick up on
this J and tell her that if she thinks you are so
great then
she can have you IF she are
WILLING TO MAKE CHANGES.
You tell her straight that her love is INCONSISTENT and she is
lying—she
sometimes says she loves you and then says she hates you or is just
cold to
you…
MOIRA says (23:41):
ross,its not the same anymore.You
broked all.
ross
says (23:41):
yeah
right
ross
says (23:41):
i
think you broke it
So she continues to put you on
the defense and tells
you that you “BROKED ALL” so
you would try to fix what you broke! J
MOIRA says (23:41):
sorry im
speaking my mind
MOIRA says (23:41):
bye
ross
says (23:42):
if
you are willing to change for me, and be willing to meet me oneday i
will tell her bye
MOIRA says (23:42):
i wont talk to you anymore if
you dont do it first,cause i dont
want to be in the middle
of you and her
Here you make your
point again that she must change for you and that she must be willing
to meet
you in reality—or you will just leave her. SO SHE FLIPS THIS ON YOU!!!! You now have to make a choice not her!!! LOL!!!
Now you have a problem—you
need to make changes not her!!!
ross
says (23:42):
but
if your not then i wont
carry on
living your fantasy
MOIRA says (23:42):
i have to go
now
MOIRA says (23:42):
good luck
The “have to go now” is like
“it’s a SALE
get it now or it will be all gone”. Makes you feel pressured to give in
to her…
ross
says (23:42):
me
and her?
MOIRA says (23:42):
yes
ross
says (23:42):
this
is what im saying,there
is no me and her yet
So you tell her there is no “me
and her” as you told her all along.
MOIRA says (23:43):
i dont
belive you
So we go to “I don’t believe
you”. Now you have to prove you are not a liar. (“Please moira
I am not a liar! Please please
moira
believe me please! Why do you think I would lie to you—don’t you know
I’m
honest?”) Which is what basically happened: she gets you angry:
ross
says (23:43):
but
if you dont want me
then there may be
me and her
MOIRA says (23:43):
if you told me is cause you are with her
ross
says (23:43):
fuck
sake moira, ive
told you the truth
MOIRA says (23:43):
good luck with her
ross
says (23:43):
no
MOIRA says (23:43):
im told you the thruth
too
ross
says (23:43):
i
only told you cos i cannot lie to you
MOIRA says (23:43):
bye
MOIRA says (23:43):
have to go
MOIRA says (23:43):
cant be here anymore
So you are now desperate to
prove to her you are telling her the truth but she decides to leave you
with
the idea that she doesn’t believe you and thinks you are lying to her.
You
become a liar now…
ross
says (23:43):
i'll
give you tim
to think
ross
says (23:44):
time*
ross
says (23:44):
let
me know if you want me for real
ross
says (23:44):
if
you can give me what i
need then i'll stay
with you
ross
says (23:45):
but
if you cant, and you wont change then i
have to move on
ross
says (23:47):
i
can give you all my love
ross
says (23:47):
i
can give you all my world
ross
says (23:48):
but
not if its not real
ross
says (23:48):
its
not too late
ross
says (23:48):
im
not in love with this girl
ross
says (23:49):
all
my feelings are only for you
ross
says (23:49):
but
are you ready for it to be real?
ross
says (23:50):
ready
to make sacrifices for me
ross
says (23:50):
i
know i
can make sacrifices for you
ross
says (23:51):
id
leave my country and my family to be with you
So you want to make the point
again and are summarizing what you told her before and tell her she has
to make
a choice and change her behavior.
You tell her how
much you are dedicated to her. You will even leave your country for her.
ross
says (23:52):
but
you need to be real, you need to be only mine, stop dating doc,
stop flirting with other guys, and have a plan to meet me
ross
says (23:52):
if
its real love then you will meet me , and you can still study
ross
says (23:56):
i
dont
think it is real love for you
You make yourself clear. She
needs to meet you. You don’t want to sit dream forever about someone
who isn’t
serious about you.
MOIRA says (23:56):
you
just moved on
MOIRA says (23:56):
you didbnt
waste your time
MOIRA says (23:56):
fine ross
ross
says (23:56):
i
havent
moved on
MOIRA says (23:56):
i
wont bother you again
MOIRA says (23:56):
im not
datting
anyone
I think she made herself LOOK
OFFLINE to see if you would continue writing? Am I right?
Anyway she sees you are so
desperate for her now so she says that she is sure you don’t need her
anymore
and adds that she is still free, but it’s too late for you… She is
pretty
tough, eh?
ross
says (23:56):
shut
up and listen
MOIRA says (23:56):
but who
cares
MOIRA says (23:56):
no
ross
says (23:56):
im
dating no one either
ross
says (23:57):
you
date doc
ross
says (23:57):
moira
You tell her well here—she is
the one talking about dating (meeting) men in real life.
MOIRA says (23:57):
you met
a girl
MOIRA says (23:57):
fine
MOIRA says (23:57):
be
happy
ross
says (23:57):
i
met someone who likes me
MOIRA says (23:57):
i dont
need this
MOIRA says (23:57):
im
really sad
So she continues with her
idiotic thread that simply ignores what you have been saying, assumes
you are a
liar and claims you are making her sad so you will now try to cheer her
up.
ross
says (23:57):
you
meet guys who like you very often
MOIRA says (23:57):
just
leave me alone
ross
says (23:57):
you
have a choice
MOIRA says (23:57):
no
ross
says (23:57):
im
not with her yet
MOIRA says (23:57):
you
destroyed it
MOIRA says (23:57):
i dont
care
MOIRA says (23:57):
you
wanted to meet her
She takes the whole
conversation and turned into an argument over you having picked someone
new
over her…
ross
says (23:57):
if
you are willing to change for me then i
choose you
MOIRA says (23:57):
that is
enough for me
ross
says (23:58):
its
ok for you to date other guys in real
You are not phased by this tactic!!! You tell
her she needs to change and tell her that she meets guys in REAL.
MOIRA says (23:58):
no
ross
says (23:58):
to
be close friends with guys that fancy you on ares
ross
says (23:58):
yes
Yup!
MOIRA says (23:58):
have to
go
MOIRA says (23:58):
sorry
ross
says (23:59):
but
if i talk to a girl who
likes me then
you give up on me
ross
says (23:59):
lol
ross
says (23:59):
you
are full of it
ross
says (23:59):
have
to go,
ross
says (23:59):
yeah
right
Yeah she gives up pretty fast
on you. You tell her how dedicated you STILL ARE to her and that you
don’t care
about the girl you met yet but she DECIDES you are LYING to her and
tells you
it’s fine with her and she’s fine with letting you go. Again—now you
have to
think about tomorrow and how you will get her back again… J
ross
says (23:59):
well,
its your choice
ross
says (23:59):
if
you really want me then tell me before its too late
ross
says (00:00):
otherwise
you may lose me forever
ross
says (00:00):
i
dreamed of you for so long
ross
says (00:00):
i
really fucking dreamed of
you
ross
says (00:00):
loved
you so much
ross
says (00:01):
i
still do
ross
says (00:01):
but
how can i go on being
treated how you
treat me?
ross
says (00:02):
if
you want me i want your
full love
ross
says (00:02):
in
return i give you my
full love
ross
says (00:02):
maybe
you should phone me and we can talk about this in person
ross
says (00:03):
or
maybe your just gutted because your fantasy world has gone
wrong
Yes good point. It’s both that
she is losing the fantasy game and that she has lost her control over
you. In
fact I think that this is why she won’t say what makes her sad. Simply
that she
has lost her power over you also the fantasy game… But she can’t tell
me this…
ross
says (00:03):
i
cant dream about someone who
only plays love
ross
says (00:04):
its
not a game
ross
says (00:04):
you
think and tell me if you want me
ross
says (00:04):
if
you do ,then i will
tell her im staying
with you
ross
says (00:04):
and
it will only be me and you
ross
says (00:05):
if
you dont then i
have to move on
Well here you tell her to think and tell you
if she wants you which she did before. It’s her actions that don’t show
it.
Yeah she wants you to get rid of anybody else so you will be dependent
on her
mercy. Well you told her there is nothing there yet anyway—so why do
you have
to tell the other girl anything at all yet? You are not with her YET…
So maybe
those last lines were not that great—and it’s because she left you
alone and
you are talking to the “ether” for the moment so you maybe “lost a
little
ground” there…